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	<description>In advanced civilizations the period loosely called Alexandrian is usually associated with flexible morals, perfunctory religion, populist standards and cosmopolitan tastes, feminism, exotic cults, and the rapid turnover of high and low fads---in short, a falling away (which is all that decadence means) from the strictness of traditional rules, embodied in character and inforced from within. -- Jacques Barzun</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Waterboarding the Data&#8221; by ZOMBIE CONTENTIONS -</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZOMBIE CONTENTIONS -</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friend Philo is sinking his teeth into the growing Global Warming Scandal. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Waterboarding the Data&#8221; by philo</title>
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		<dc:creator>philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

Well stated!</description>
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<p>Well stated!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Waterboarding the Data&#8221; by william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one hand, these climatologist can claim they can measure the temperature from 1000 years ago down to a .1C degree of accuracy by measuring tree rings, on the other hand their own computer code cannot replicate actual temperature measurements for the last 100 years. 

I think we should demand a public display of how they come up with and publish their temperature measurements. It would be analogous to a used car salesman trying to interest someone while the tires leak air, the oil runs out of the engine and will not start while the bumpers are falling off. 

&quot;Robust&quot; just does not describe what our confidence level should be regarding these temperature measurements.

Expose the code and bust the Anti-trust Cabal of Climatology.
Shiny
Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one hand, these climatologist can claim they can measure the temperature from 1000 years ago down to a .1C degree of accuracy by measuring tree rings, on the other hand their own computer code cannot replicate actual temperature measurements for the last 100 years. </p>
<p>I think we should demand a public display of how they come up with and publish their temperature measurements. It would be analogous to a used car salesman trying to interest someone while the tires leak air, the oil runs out of the engine and will not start while the bumpers are falling off. </p>
<p>&#8220;Robust&#8221; just does not describe what our confidence level should be regarding these temperature measurements.</p>
<p>Expose the code and bust the Anti-trust Cabal of Climatology.<br />
Shiny<br />
Ed</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climategate and Global Warming by Lefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk&amp;feature=player_embedded

Ha. Nice bass line too.</description>
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<p>Ha. Nice bass line too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global Warming Debunked by Martin Raineri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Raineri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read everything I can find on Global Warming just to be informed on the issue. What helped me form my final postion on Global Warming is simple. I watching a segment on the Discover Channel. I believe it co sponsored by NASA  and it was based on how the Earth and Moon were formed. Based on very early theroy two rock floating in space crashed into one another creating the Earth and Moon. NASA had theroy that when plants inpacted one another it not only caused a rotation but it caused the earth wobble on it&#039;s axis. NASA was able to prove this when we landed on the moon. It is said they placed a reflective plate and they shot a laser beam at. It was determinded that not only was the Moon moving away from Earth at rate of 1/2&quot; year it was determinded that earth wobbling on it&#039;s axis. Over time this they serval adjustments to keep the laser and plate inline.  Inclosing, they sumed it up by saying that this could be causing warming and cooling in different hemispheres by applying more sun light or more heat to either to the northern or southern hemisphere.  

It was an excellent segment and I haven&#039;t seen it about three or four years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read everything I can find on Global Warming just to be informed on the issue. What helped me form my final postion on Global Warming is simple. I watching a segment on the Discover Channel. I believe it co sponsored by NASA  and it was based on how the Earth and Moon were formed. Based on very early theroy two rock floating in space crashed into one another creating the Earth and Moon. NASA had theroy that when plants inpacted one another it not only caused a rotation but it caused the earth wobble on it&#8217;s axis. NASA was able to prove this when we landed on the moon. It is said they placed a reflective plate and they shot a laser beam at. It was determinded that not only was the Moon moving away from Earth at rate of 1/2&#8243; year it was determinded that earth wobbling on it&#8217;s axis. Over time this they serval adjustments to keep the laser and plate inline.  Inclosing, they sumed it up by saying that this could be causing warming and cooling in different hemispheres by applying more sun light or more heat to either to the northern or southern hemisphere.  </p>
<p>It was an excellent segment and I haven&#8217;t seen it about three or four years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Hide the Decline&#8221; by Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the leftist/secular humanist mindset, &quot;Science&quot; is meant to replace such outmoded concepts as &quot;morals.&quot; This was most obvious in the statements made by Barack Obama as he commissioned the scientists at NIH with matters pertaining to the use of embryos for experimentation.  The cool objectivism of &quot;Science&quot; would replace the emotional and illogical and theistically-tainted decisions of the previous administration with its penchant for &quot;bioethics&quot; and other non-empirical influences.

For people who are uncomfortable with the concept and language of morality and ethics, other measures of right and wrong are recruited that provide an &quot;arms length&quot; decision-making mechanism.  &quot;Science&quot; is one, &quot;Capitalism&quot; tends to be another.  Yet in both cases, they only work well if the people engaged in their pursuit are honest.  If you sift through the many years of propaganda relating to AGW, there is obsessive reliance on &quot;the data&quot; and its interpretation, and hysterical attacks on people who question them.  This happens all up and down the food chain of this cult and I have been grimly amused at academic lectures, by English professors, who link the fall of Troy to Hurricane Katrina to George Bush&#039;s denial of the Kyoto Treaty. Even to non-scientists, the fact that the so-called climate models have been utter failures in predicting anything should have been a tip off.

In the end, however, it was widely held perception that &quot;scientists&quot; were somehow immune from corruption and mistakes that I find most bizarre.  When the scientists start suppressing the data, everyone should have understood what that meant.  It seems very obvious that there was widespread, if passive, complicity in the scientific community as many found it convenient to raise funds for their research as long as it was linked to the big, methane-filled cash cow, Anthropogenic Global Warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the leftist/secular humanist mindset, &#8220;Science&#8221; is meant to replace such outmoded concepts as &#8220;morals.&#8221; This was most obvious in the statements made by Barack Obama as he commissioned the scientists at NIH with matters pertaining to the use of embryos for experimentation.  The cool objectivism of &#8220;Science&#8221; would replace the emotional and illogical and theistically-tainted decisions of the previous administration with its penchant for &#8220;bioethics&#8221; and other non-empirical influences.</p>
<p>For people who are uncomfortable with the concept and language of morality and ethics, other measures of right and wrong are recruited that provide an &#8220;arms length&#8221; decision-making mechanism.  &#8220;Science&#8221; is one, &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; tends to be another.  Yet in both cases, they only work well if the people engaged in their pursuit are honest.  If you sift through the many years of propaganda relating to AGW, there is obsessive reliance on &#8220;the data&#8221; and its interpretation, and hysterical attacks on people who question them.  This happens all up and down the food chain of this cult and I have been grimly amused at academic lectures, by English professors, who link the fall of Troy to Hurricane Katrina to George Bush&#8217;s denial of the Kyoto Treaty. Even to non-scientists, the fact that the so-called climate models have been utter failures in predicting anything should have been a tip off.</p>
<p>In the end, however, it was widely held perception that &#8220;scientists&#8221; were somehow immune from corruption and mistakes that I find most bizarre.  When the scientists start suppressing the data, everyone should have understood what that meant.  It seems very obvious that there was widespread, if passive, complicity in the scientific community as many found it convenient to raise funds for their research as long as it was linked to the big, methane-filled cash cow, Anthropogenic Global Warming.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Terror in Texas by Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the FBI is going to be in charge of all interrogations of terrorist suspects.  I guess the bar for &quot;suspect&quot; has been raised considerably.

One of the ongoing, low-level grumblings of the anti-war Left is the rate of PTSD found in returning vets.  I&#039;ve seen the number 138,000 bandied about.  Considering the fact that Hasan was supposed to be counseling these folks, the  irony is mind-boggling.  The Left doesn&#039;t actually want to do anything to &lt;em&gt;help&lt;/em&gt; vets with PTSD, as healthy vets don&#039;t feed the pacifist narrative.  If it weren&#039;t so grotesque, the claims of Pre-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, or Vicarious Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, that were proffered as an appropriately non-Islamist root cause of Hasan&#039;s mass homicide, would be Onion parody material.

As a matter of interest, this group is actively addressing the needs of Iraq and Afghanistan Vets, especially in the area of mental health: http://iava.org/

They also link to other organizations, including the Wounded Warrior Project, which I am proud to support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the FBI is going to be in charge of all interrogations of terrorist suspects.  I guess the bar for &#8220;suspect&#8221; has been raised considerably.</p>
<p>One of the ongoing, low-level grumblings of the anti-war Left is the rate of PTSD found in returning vets.  I&#8217;ve seen the number 138,000 bandied about.  Considering the fact that Hasan was supposed to be counseling these folks, the  irony is mind-boggling.  The Left doesn&#8217;t actually want to do anything to <em>help</em> vets with PTSD, as healthy vets don&#8217;t feed the pacifist narrative.  If it weren&#8217;t so grotesque, the claims of Pre-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, or Vicarious Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, that were proffered as an appropriately non-Islamist root cause of Hasan&#8217;s mass homicide, would be Onion parody material.</p>
<p>As a matter of interest, this group is actively addressing the needs of Iraq and Afghanistan Vets, especially in the area of mental health: <a href="http://iava.org/" rel="nofollow">http://iava.org/</a></p>
<p>They also link to other organizations, including the Wounded Warrior Project, which I am proud to support.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amazement by tehag</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What will it take for our elites to begin a serious study of Islam?&quot;

Study or no study, opposition is the best course.

In many of the books I&#039;ve read on the 1930s, the authors note the ease at which Communists became Nazis (and, presumably, in 1940s, vice-versa). 

The beliefs of our elite are uncomfortably close to Islam already: the caste-like hierarchy (affirmative action for our elites; the moslem-dhimmi division in Islam), the color symbolism (green), the power of women (released in our elites; suppressed in Islam) and; the self-justification for rule (because our elites alone can save the planet; because God appointed Muslims rulers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What will it take for our elites to begin a serious study of Islam?&#8221;</p>
<p>Study or no study, opposition is the best course.</p>
<p>In many of the books I&#8217;ve read on the 1930s, the authors note the ease at which Communists became Nazis (and, presumably, in 1940s, vice-versa). </p>
<p>The beliefs of our elite are uncomfortably close to Islam already: the caste-like hierarchy (affirmative action for our elites; the moslem-dhimmi division in Islam), the color symbolism (green), the power of women (released in our elites; suppressed in Islam) and; the self-justification for rule (because our elites alone can save the planet; because God appointed Muslims rulers).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abusing Aristotle by philo</title>
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		<dc:creator>philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit,

I agree with you that Aristotle is a paternalist who advocates a startlingly encompassing role for government.  He&#039;s no libertarian.  But he does advocate private control in certain instances, and medical care is one of them.  Education is another.  In saying he there gives voice to a classic libertarian argument, I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that he champions it across the board; as you point out, medical care is for him the exception rather than the rule.

I think the larger point of the passage is revealed by what follows immediately after what I quoted.  Aristotle is saying that private judgment is better than a universal rule &quot;in medicine and all other matters which give scope for care and prudence.&quot;  But to be able to do better, you have to know the universals.  Your doctor knows your particular case and can prescribe more effective treatment for you than some bureaucracy that by definition must prescribe rules across the board, but he still has to know medicine.  Similarly, a politician, to make judgments in general or in particular cases, has to understand statesmanship.  Hence the transition from the Ethics to the Politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit,</p>
<p>I agree with you that Aristotle is a paternalist who advocates a startlingly encompassing role for government.  He&#8217;s no libertarian.  But he does advocate private control in certain instances, and medical care is one of them.  Education is another.  In saying he there gives voice to a classic libertarian argument, I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that he champions it across the board; as you point out, medical care is for him the exception rather than the rule.</p>
<p>I think the larger point of the passage is revealed by what follows immediately after what I quoted.  Aristotle is saying that private judgment is better than a universal rule &#8220;in medicine and all other matters which give scope for care and prudence.&#8221;  But to be able to do better, you have to know the universals.  Your doctor knows your particular case and can prescribe more effective treatment for you than some bureaucracy that by definition must prescribe rules across the board, but he still has to know medicine.  Similarly, a politician, to make judgments in general or in particular cases, has to understand statesmanship.  Hence the transition from the Ethics to the Politics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abusing Aristotle by kit churchill</title>
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		<dc:creator>kit churchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think saying he would have been plainly appalled at the idea of a public option is overshooting just a little bit.  

Your argument presupposes that people get personalized or at least individualized insurance care from private insurers, which simply isn&#039;t true.  So if it&#039;s bad for a government to use universal rules it stands to reason that he would also be opposed to a private system which in practice does the same.  Unless you want to claim that Aristotle was a capitalist, and a laizzes-faire one at that, another concept which would have been as foreign to Aristotle as rights would.  

However, your core purpose in this post is to rail against those who misquote Aristotle.  In that one thing have you succeeded, but even then only partially.  I agree with you that attributing that quote to Aristotle is egregious, but I think it&#039;s equally problematic to attribute ideas to Aristotle that weren&#039;t his, even if one is able to site the book directly.  What I mean is, it only takes a few moments of reading the section to see that not only would Aristotle have supported a public option, he would have been more inclined to adopt a truly nationalized health care system.   

For example, just a few paragraphs above the section you&#039;ve quoted, Aristotle says:

&quot;But it is difficult to get from youth up a right training for virtue if one has not been brought up under right laws; for to live temperately and hardily is not pleasant to most people, especially when they are young. For this reason their nurture and occupations should be fixed by law; for they will not be painful when they have become customary. But it is surely not enough that when they are young they should get the right nurture and attention; since they must, even when they are grown up, practise and be habituated to them, we shall need laws for this as well, and generally speaking to cover the whole of life; for most people obey necessity rather than argument, and punishments rather than the sense of what is noble.&quot;

Not only does he advocate a public education, but he advocates an extreme form of it wherein the state chooses our occupation and how it is that we should be nurtured.  Of particular note is the part where he says &quot;and generally speaking to cover the whole of life&quot;, mostly because he is, in no uncertain terms, stating that the continued happiness of the people is reliant on a complete and total immersion into a culture which is dependent solely on the state.  Further, when considered in context, it&#039;s clear from the paragraph above that his &quot;classic objection&quot; to government interference is part of his argument against the spartan state where people lived as &quot;Cyclops-fashion, &#039;to his own wife and children dealing law&quot; which is immediately followed by another instance of Aristotle arguing against privatization.  

Abuse of Aristotle indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think saying he would have been plainly appalled at the idea of a public option is overshooting just a little bit.  </p>
<p>Your argument presupposes that people get personalized or at least individualized insurance care from private insurers, which simply isn&#8217;t true.  So if it&#8217;s bad for a government to use universal rules it stands to reason that he would also be opposed to a private system which in practice does the same.  Unless you want to claim that Aristotle was a capitalist, and a laizzes-faire one at that, another concept which would have been as foreign to Aristotle as rights would.  </p>
<p>However, your core purpose in this post is to rail against those who misquote Aristotle.  In that one thing have you succeeded, but even then only partially.  I agree with you that attributing that quote to Aristotle is egregious, but I think it&#8217;s equally problematic to attribute ideas to Aristotle that weren&#8217;t his, even if one is able to site the book directly.  What I mean is, it only takes a few moments of reading the section to see that not only would Aristotle have supported a public option, he would have been more inclined to adopt a truly nationalized health care system.   </p>
<p>For example, just a few paragraphs above the section you&#8217;ve quoted, Aristotle says:</p>
<p>&#8220;But it is difficult to get from youth up a right training for virtue if one has not been brought up under right laws; for to live temperately and hardily is not pleasant to most people, especially when they are young. For this reason their nurture and occupations should be fixed by law; for they will not be painful when they have become customary. But it is surely not enough that when they are young they should get the right nurture and attention; since they must, even when they are grown up, practise and be habituated to them, we shall need laws for this as well, and generally speaking to cover the whole of life; for most people obey necessity rather than argument, and punishments rather than the sense of what is noble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only does he advocate a public education, but he advocates an extreme form of it wherein the state chooses our occupation and how it is that we should be nurtured.  Of particular note is the part where he says &#8220;and generally speaking to cover the whole of life&#8221;, mostly because he is, in no uncertain terms, stating that the continued happiness of the people is reliant on a complete and total immersion into a culture which is dependent solely on the state.  Further, when considered in context, it&#8217;s clear from the paragraph above that his &#8220;classic objection&#8221; to government interference is part of his argument against the spartan state where people lived as &#8220;Cyclops-fashion, &#8216;to his own wife and children dealing law&#8221; which is immediately followed by another instance of Aristotle arguing against privatization.  </p>
<p>Abuse of Aristotle indeed.</p>
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